hi Gavin,
I'm not 100% sure you can do what you're trying.
It's been a long time since I tried example 5 - and as far as I know it never actually worked. It's _possible_ that I might be able to get the technique working now, because some of the underlying html has changed, but the concept of having a browse, and the same form, in the same page was somewhat "abandoned" in favor of simple Edit-in-place.
I'll put the concept back on the list, but I can't make any promises that I can make it work. For starters, the Form inside another form is not allowed, so it'll have to be based on a page. I think if it did work it would have a fairly narrow scope.
cheers
Bruce