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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Why choose NT6 over Remote Desktop ?
« on: November 16, 2012, 06:28:20 AM »
Bruce - just two comments.
You say RDP has to be installed on each device. Is that correct? I understand (and have seen it in action) that the client is given a small RDP "shortcut" which then handles all the connection as I understand it. iPads have free "apps" that allow them to use RDP. There is no actually installation of RDP on the clients device. Android for example work right out of the box.
I am also not convinced the touchscreen issue is that valid but I do see where you are coming from. Some of my web app has tiny buttons (especially smartphone support) that make it unusable. Maybe I am different but I am now designing all my apps (desktop/mobile) to run on Windows 8 and have touchscreen ability. That means big buttons.
I certainly don't want to seem as if I am trying to come down on one side or the other but just felt these 2 issues were not quite correct. I do take all your other points.
John
You say RDP has to be installed on each device. Is that correct? I understand (and have seen it in action) that the client is given a small RDP "shortcut" which then handles all the connection as I understand it. iPads have free "apps" that allow them to use RDP. There is no actually installation of RDP on the clients device. Android for example work right out of the box.
I am also not convinced the touchscreen issue is that valid but I do see where you are coming from. Some of my web app has tiny buttons (especially smartphone support) that make it unusable. Maybe I am different but I am now designing all my apps (desktop/mobile) to run on Windows 8 and have touchscreen ability. That means big buttons.
I certainly don't want to seem as if I am trying to come down on one side or the other but just felt these 2 issues were not quite correct. I do take all your other points.
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Why choose NT6 over Remote Desktop ?
« on: November 16, 2012, 01:23:08 AM »
I am finding that developing in NT6 is slow taking into account learning the new paradigm, difficulty in debugging and making it all look pretty. My clients want a "Mobile" solution but are now asking why they cannot have a feature rich solution to match my traditional desktop applications. By Mobile they actually mean "will run on Android or iPad".
All this is leading me towards a Remote Desktop solution which does have some drawbacks over NT6, mainly in the server required to run it. But the advantages are we develop a traditional Clarion application and the end user gets the feature rich solution they want. This dramatically reduces our development time.
Of course the more you develop in NT6 the more fluent you get as the learning curve diminishes. However I spend 99% of my time developing in C6/C8 so every time I go back to NT6 I have to start the learning curve again. Of course that's my fault not NT6.
So with every respect to Bruce and his team, and acknowledging the technical achievement they have come up with, what actually is the advantage of NT6 over a Remote Desktop solution or does it really just boil down to developer preference based on what the market wants?
All this is leading me towards a Remote Desktop solution which does have some drawbacks over NT6, mainly in the server required to run it. But the advantages are we develop a traditional Clarion application and the end user gets the feature rich solution they want. This dramatically reduces our development time.
Of course the more you develop in NT6 the more fluent you get as the learning curve diminishes. However I spend 99% of my time developing in C6/C8 so every time I go back to NT6 I have to start the learning curve again. Of course that's my fault not NT6.
So with every respect to Bruce and his team, and acknowledging the technical achievement they have come up with, what actually is the advantage of NT6 over a Remote Desktop solution or does it really just boil down to developer preference based on what the market wants?
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Windows 8
« on: November 12, 2012, 12:19:59 AM »
I am on version 6.42
So it would be helpful if perhaps Bruce could weigh in here and confirm if this behaviour has been fixed or not as we do seem to have conflicting views.
Remember all is fine until you open a form (in my case with drop downs) when the form just shows the window title and no controls.
Thanks
John
So it would be helpful if perhaps Bruce could weigh in here and confirm if this behaviour has been fixed or not as we do seem to have conflicting views.
Remember all is fine until you open a form (in my case with drop downs) when the form just shows the window title and no controls.
Thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Windows 8
« on: November 11, 2012, 01:43:40 AM »
Yes the tiled version is a strange beast. Play something in iPlayer and then switch the focus and the video mutes and stops playing. Nothing to do with NT6 but it does have some strange behaviour.
Anyway IMHO this is a very serious problem considering W8 has been out in preview mode for so long. Hopefully Bruce will get to grips with this quickly as it has the potential of breaking all apps in Windows 8 which is now public.
I suspect the response will be change browsers but why should a user do that? If they are using W8 and it comes with IE10 in tile mode then that's what they should be able to use.
Sorry not criticising but this really is a very serious problem.
Thanks
John
Anyway IMHO this is a very serious problem considering W8 has been out in preview mode for so long. Hopefully Bruce will get to grips with this quickly as it has the potential of breaking all apps in Windows 8 which is now public.
I suspect the response will be change browsers but why should a user do that? If they are using W8 and it comes with IE10 in tile mode then that's what they should be able to use.
Sorry not criticising but this really is a very serious problem.
Thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Windows 8
« on: November 10, 2012, 04:53:21 AM »
I have just noticed that when using Windows8 (the tiled version of IE9) when you open a form it opens but no fields are displayed. It appears as a small window with just the window title.
Are then any workarounds for this?
Thanks
John
Are then any workarounds for this?
Thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Processing history changes on an update form
« on: October 01, 2012, 10:47:59 PM »
Thanks Bruce.
You probably second guessed I will be using HISTORY: at the start and then comparing after insert/update so this sounds perfect.
Still difficult to stop thinking in "traditional" Clarion terms and switch over to the transaction type processing.
Many thanks
John
You probably second guessed I will be using HISTORY: at the start and then comparing after insert/update so this sounds perfect.
Still difficult to stop thinking in "traditional" Clarion terms and switch over to the transaction type processing.
Many thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Processing history changes on an update form
« on: October 01, 2012, 06:17:32 AM »
I am trying to create an audit log of changes made to a record when closing a form. In traditional Clarion this is done in ThisWindow.TakeCompleted before the Parent Call.
Where would I put my code in NetTalk to achieve the same thing. IOW the point at whch the form is actually closed for good.
Many thanks
John
Where would I put my code in NetTalk to achieve the same thing. IOW the point at whch the form is actually closed for good.
Many thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Detecting record changes
« on: July 20, 2012, 02:37:33 AM »
Is there any template or easy way to detect changes on a record. I am trying to detect when a record has been added, modified or deleted and if so record that in an XML file along with the record identifuer (GUID) and the field/s and data changed.
Thanks
John
Thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Managing a Rackspace server
« on: April 20, 2012, 12:01:03 AM »
Oh, I am looking at this the wrong way actually. I installed the demo on ONE server and set it to backup the folders required on an hourly basis. I am using versioning so over a 24 hour period would end up with 24 copies of any files that have changed.
Then I wrote a script and had my FTP software on my development machine use DCOM to FTP the backup file structure down to an external drive here once a day.
That seems to work for ONE server. But I have two.
I never thought of installing the backup software on my development machine and having it FTP the files down here direct.
I suppose the downside is that server is running 24/7 365 days a year whereas my office machines only run occasionally. I will have to think about this a bit more to find the optimum solution.
Thanks
John
Then I wrote a script and had my FTP software on my development machine use DCOM to FTP the backup file structure down to an external drive here once a day.
That seems to work for ONE server. But I have two.
I never thought of installing the backup software on my development machine and having it FTP the files down here direct.
I suppose the downside is that server is running 24/7 365 days a year whereas my office machines only run occasionally. I will have to think about this a bit more to find the optimum solution.
Thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Managing a Rackspace server
« on: April 19, 2012, 12:07:08 AM »
Thanks Kevin. Just checked it out at $60. That's much cheaper than my other solution.
Can you run that on 2 servers do you know?
Also the Pro version seems to backup say every hour then FTP the backup to my machine. Is that what you do?
Thanks
John
Can you run that on 2 servers do you know?
Also the Pro version seems to backup say every hour then FTP the backup to my machine. Is that what you do?
Thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Managing a Rackspace server
« on: April 18, 2012, 11:42:22 PM »
Well I was wondering along similar lines, all be it manually.
The server itself is backed up nightly. The application files (exe etc.) I have anyway here permanently backed up off site.
So it's only the actual data itself. That resides in a DATA folder and web/uploads where I store images.
What I have been doing is FTP'ing those 2 folders down to my machine here which forms the backup and then my own backup software backs these up off site. A bit of a hassle but much better than spending a lot of money maintaining backups that maybe I do not really need.
In time I could have a service running to do the same.
Thanks
John
The server itself is backed up nightly. The application files (exe etc.) I have anyway here permanently backed up off site.
So it's only the actual data itself. That resides in a DATA folder and web/uploads where I store images.
What I have been doing is FTP'ing those 2 folders down to my machine here which forms the backup and then my own backup software backs these up off site. A bit of a hassle but much better than spending a lot of money maintaining backups that maybe I do not really need.
In time I could have a service running to do the same.
Thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Managing a Rackspace server
« on: April 18, 2012, 10:56:00 PM »
By way of an update I have just found out that both my backup and anti virus software does not run on a Windows 8 server.
However they do have products which are quite a lot more expensive.
Oops (Altaro) have just provided me with a link to purchase a discounted copy that will run on a server which is still quite high.
I just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on this thread as I feel I need to be doing something but not quite sure about it all.
Thanks
John
However they do have products which are quite a lot more expensive.
Oops (Altaro) have just provided me with a link to purchase a discounted copy that will run on a server which is still quite high.
I just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on this thread as I feel I need to be doing something but not quite sure about it all.
Thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Managing a Rackspace server
« on: April 16, 2012, 02:46:18 PM »
This applies to any server really, I just happen to use Rackspace.
Perhaps a silly question but ...
On my development machines in the office I use Oops backup for real time backup and Avast Internet Security. Both are great products.
Should I be looking to install these on my server? As my clients can upload images to the server then I suspect Avast is essential.
I would use Oops to backup client data and images to a folder which I could then ftp down every so often to my machines for safe storage offsite.
I have the server backing up daily (As I do not have a managed account only a daily option is available.
) but as Oops could be set to backup every half hour for example just thought this might be an option. I do not find the backup process interferes with my daily work so should not impact on the server at all.
Many thanks
John
Perhaps a silly question but ...
On my development machines in the office I use Oops backup for real time backup and Avast Internet Security. Both are great products.
Should I be looking to install these on my server? As my clients can upload images to the server then I suspect Avast is essential.
I would use Oops to backup client data and images to a folder which I could then ftp down every so often to my machines for safe storage offsite.
I have the server backing up daily (As I do not have a managed account only a daily option is available.
) but as Oops could be set to backup every half hour for example just thought this might be an option. I do not find the backup process interferes with my daily work so should not impact on the server at all.
Many thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Timer on browse
« on: April 16, 2012, 02:36:22 PM »
Thanks Bruce - an excellent point.
In my case it is for our online user admin system and want to update the users logged in window every 30 seconds probably (I just used 1000 as an example). There would only ever be 2 people max using it at ay one time.
Saves me using Remote Desktop to view the Web Server.
But a very valid and useful tip.
Thanks
John
In my case it is for our online user admin system and want to update the users logged in window every 30 seconds probably (I just used 1000 as an example). There would only ever be 2 people max using it at ay one time.
Saves me using Remote Desktop to view the Web Server.
But a very valid and useful tip.
Thanks
John
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Timer on browse
« on: April 16, 2012, 03:00:28 AM »
Excellent Don - thank you.
John
John